I remember him telling me that the world was for taking things out of."Artists traditionally hail from less privileged backgrounds than gallery owners. "There was a point in the early days," says someone who observed an extrovert display at a birthday party, "when he would do anything to be avant-garde He was very arrogant when he was young. Certainly the shadow of a young, bun-throwing Hooray seems to linger. Voluble when talking of his artists, he is at his least articulate when asked about himself: "He's very suspicious," says Rory Carnegie This begs questions about what is being guarded.

She came back into the room and I felt I knew her extraordinarily intimately."Artists like Hatoum are committed to autobiographical honesty Jopling himself is reserved to the point of secrecy. Jopling went to her East End apartment and saw "Foreign Body", a work now in the Tate."She said, 'I'm just going to make a cup of tea - look at this', and there was a video. She had used a microscopic endoscopic camera, starting in her hair, then into her eye her mouth and inside her body. This month (until 20 August), "Emotional Detox", a series of seven lead body casts, will be shown in Art Now, the Tate's new gallery dedicated to "all forms of contemporary art". Quinn will also be showing, at White Cube, "The Blind Leading the Blind".Mona Hatoum, whom Jopling also represents, is now one of the four artists short-listed (Damien Hirst is another) for this year's pounds 20,000 Turner prize. Then, in 1992, Quinn's work became front-page news when it was revealed that "Self", a head made from his own blood, had been bought by the Saatchi Collection.

I said, 'these are interesting; I really like them', when, in fact, they were the ugliest things I had ever seen We did a show really quickly I rented a place in Wapping Nobody bought anything."That was eight years ago. "He worked with the sculptor Barry Flanagan during his holidays," Jopling remembers. "He knew that I was interested in art, and he showed me his work, in a tiny little bedsit in Chelsea. There was one, a gladiator with an alien thing coming out of its chest.

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